Thursday, September 6, 2012

Group #1


Socrates believes that self-mastery is the definition of justice. He and Glaucon agree that a man is just when the parts of his soul (the thumos, epithumos, and logos) are in natural accordance with each other. Self-mastery is the outcome of the balance of these parts because the thumos will give him ambitious qualities, the epithumos brave qualities, and the logos discretionary qualities.
            “ [The just man] doesn’t let each part in him mind other people’s business or the three classes in the soul meddle with eacho other, but really sets his own house in good order and rules himself; he arranges himself, becomes his own friend, and harmonized the three parts, exactly like three notes in a harmonic scale, lowest, highest and middle… In all these actions he believes and names a just and fine action one that preserves and helps to produce this condition,” (443d)
            The city is the product of its inhabitants, so the city is just when the citizens are just.
“I suppose we’ll say that a man is just in the same manner that a city too was just… The one within whom each of the parts minds its own business will be just and mind his own business… Moreover, we surely haven’t forgotten that this city was just because each of the three classes in it minds its own business.” (441d)
The city’s classes (economic, military, and governing) are in accordance with nature because the individuals who make up the classes are content to perform their prospective duties and not meddle in the affairs of the other classes. The people maintain this acceptance because the parts of their souls are in proper balance, allowing for individual self-mastery, which demonstrates the way in which the justice of the city reflects the justice of its people.
An individual’s soul becomes unjust if he loses control of one of the parts, and the injustice of his soul will manifest itself in his actions, causing him to be self-indulgent, cowardly, or unwise. The tyrant, originally an oligarchic man who viewed reservation and indulgence with equanimity, falls victim to an unchecked thumos, which is enlarged by “enchanters” who instill in him an overpowering love of freedom and “other desires – overflowing with incense, myrrh, crowns, wines and all the pleasures with which such societies are rife,” (573a)

2 comments:

  1. I see what you are saying about the correlation between individual justice and the justice of a city. There are three basic components, the thumos, epithumos, and logos, and these three apply respectively to the justice of both individuals and cities. If the three components are in balance then that human, or city depending on which example you use, is just.
    However do you believe that they depend on one another? That if every individual found balance there would be no need for the city to find balance too? And conversely, if the city had perfect balance in its thumos, epithumos, and logos, would its citizens need to find that balance within themselves as well, or would this be inherently true because the city they live in is already in perfect balance?
    How many citizens would have to be unjust to affect the city at large, thus turning the city itself unjust?

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  2. What happened here group? Why didn't Hally comment or question? Where is the electronic conversation? Please do better for next time!

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